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1 Your Thoughts? on Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:56 pm

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Luke 9:49 John said, "Master, we saw someone driving out demons in your name. We tried to stop him, because he wasn't a follower like us."
Luk 9:50 Jesus said to him, "Don't stop him! For whoever is not against you is for you."


The teacher in church this morning discussed this and several other related verses. What are your thoughts on what Jesus is saying?

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2 Re: Your Thoughts? on Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:26 pm

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Hoo Boy Mikey!! I have asked if the prayers of a non believer other than for salvation are heard by God. Pete just came in and we are always getting into discussions like this.

LIKE US??? Were they saying he didn\'t believe in Jesus at all? That doesn\'t make sense because for him to have used Jesus name to cast out the demons, he must have believed and maybe the others were wrong. Or maybe they were \"self righteous\" and thought that beause they were of a certain group (like us), they were special to Jesus and were elevating themselves by pointing out they were better than \"that other guy\".

Grabs me by the neck and points out to me again that a lot of things that we think are important to God may in the end not matter a bit and we\'ve overlooked a lot that was important to Him.

Also, yes hearing and responding are two different things.



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3 Re: Your Thoughts? on Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:32 pm

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Hearing and listening are different. God may hear the prayers of the unrighteous but I don't believe He listens to them.

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4 Re: Your Thoughts? on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:39 pm

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I always have to fall back on the verse in the Bible that states in Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

I think that God was telling them to not worry so much about what they [The demon casters]were doing and try and concentrate more on what they themselves should be doing to lead people to the Lord and do His work. In other words "don't sweat about the small stuff", God will deal with non-believers and I believe He hears their prayers for salvation and after that he will listen to all their prayers just like Mikey said. If what the demon casters were doing even if they weren't of the flock of Jesus it still may bring non-believers to his fold. Sometimes good things can come from the worst scenario's in the end. Just my thoughts.


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5 Re: Your Thoughts? on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:41 pm

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Mikey, what did your preacher say about the verse's?


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6 Re: Your Thoughts? on Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:16 am

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Our pastor is mentoring young men in the church and for the last several Sundays a young 25 year old has been doing the teaching.

In an earlier topic we briefly discussed that there are numerous protestant denominations, which is fine so long as we continue to fellowship as the body of Christ and hold true to fundamental Christian doctrine. Basically he said that we should not be so dogmatic in our religious beliefs so as to exclude other Christians, who are Christians but of a different denomination. Some churches have a "it's my way or the highway" type of belief system when it comes to theological issues that really are not that clear in scripture nor do they affect one's salvation. In other words we shouldn't be so sectarian in nature as to exclude or look down at others. No one denomination can claim exclusiveness and do God's works. The church is the body of Christ. All believers are a part of that body as was this person who was casting out demons in Christ's name.

Christ's disciples were an exclusive group, chosen by Christ Himself. None the less the person casting out demons was doing so in Christ's name, thus he was a believer but not a part of the 12. In Christianity, if you are not for Christ then you are against Him. There is no neutral ground.

The verses preceding this verse has the disciples arguing about their status as followers of Christ. It says in Luke 9:46 "Now an argument started among them as to which of them might be the greatest." Jesus then proceeds to chastise them relative to their lack of humility.

So that's basically what I got out of his teaching this morning.

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7 Re: Your Thoughts? on Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:35 am

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Yup, that's what I was thinking basically.


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8 Re: Your Thoughts? on Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:39 am

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I agree with Esther and JW, an elevation of self as to which one was the greatest demonstrates a flaw in mankind, that they felt themselves to be special. The man casting out demons in his name was doing exactly what Christ wanted.


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9 Re: Your Thoughts? on Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:32 pm

Esther


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And as with our "flaw", it is simply sin.

When we gossip, joke about, put down, criticize unfairly, we are often doing that to "putdown" the other person to raise ourselves up.


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10 Re: Your Thoughts? on Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:56 pm

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Jesus said in Matthew, I think, "On that day many will cry out Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name, did we not cast out demons, did we not perform many miracles? And I will say to them in a clear voice, "depart from me, I don't know you". Only he knows who has a relationship with him and who doesn't. The fact that these people he's referring to obviously didn't and were still able to do these things shows how much power there is in his name. And demons were driven out, regardless of who did it, somebody was better off.

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