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1 No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 19, 2010 3:07 pm

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My local newspaper headlines just a few minutes ago..... and these are just a tiny drop in the bucket....


Published: May 19, 2010
Updated: 11:56 a.m.
Police: Deported felon barricades himself inside taqueria
By DENISSE SALAZAR
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
http://www.ocregister.com/news/adams-249446-deported-inside.html



Published: May 19, 2010
Updated: 11:54 a.m.
Border Patrol detains 7 in Newport Harbor
By JEFF OVERLEY
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
http://www.ocregister.com/news/border-249436-patrol-reed.html


No Mr. President, no illegal immigration problem here.

Oh, and here's a laugh. The President of Mexico had the balls to complain to Obama about Arizona's new immigration law saying it was dicriminatory against Mexicans! HELLO??

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2 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 19, 2010 5:53 pm

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So now the kid will prolly be sent right back and him and his mom will scoot right back here again first chance they get. Something is wrong w/ this picture. Wouldn't it be easier just to stop them from coming in in the first place? Guess Mr O doesn't think so es[uhuh]

Oh yeah Mikey I don't see any problems with illegal immigration at all ex[doh] ex[hammer] ex[dunno


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3 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Thu May 20, 2010 12:50 am

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4 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Sun May 23, 2010 3:01 am

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Great news folks! Now we are making progress. Seven down and 12-14 million to go..... ex[jail]


Smuggler chased from near border to Irvine
By BRITTANY LEVINE
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
Published: May 22, 2010
Updated: 7:33 p.m.

IRVINE - A high-speed border chase ended in Irvine early Saturday morning after authorities captured a suspected smuggler transporting six undocumented passengers in an SUV, a border patrol agent said.

The seven men, who were Mexican nationals in the country illegally, are currently in U.S. Customs and Border Patrol custody.

The driver, who pulled over to the shoulder near the I-5's Culver Drive exit after about a one-hour chase, is being held pending alien smuggling charges, said Michael Jimenez, a border patrol agent. At least one of the smuggled men had been deported before, he said.

The chase began at 1:25 a.m. after an agent saw a man loading the passengers in a white Ford Expedition in Otay Mesa, a small community in San Diego. Agents tried to stop the 38-year-old driver by sounding sirens.

"But the vehicle sped away at a high rate of speed," Jimenez said. "It traveled northbound on the 805 and reached speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour."

A Border Patrol helicopter assisted in the chase, which covered three freeways, until it neared the San Diego Airport. Then a San Diego Police Department helicopter took over. Agents from the San Clemente border patrol station also joined the chase, which ended around 2:25 a.m.

Passengers in the car were seen throwing pieces of debris out the windows, Jimenez said. He was unsure why they were doing this, but said it was possible the runaways were trying to distract the agents.

It is unclear why the driver had stopped; Jimenez said he did not know if he ran out of gas. Due to the time of day, there was light traffic and no one was injured during the pursuit, he said.

How the agent first identified the men as suspected aliens, Jimenez wouldn't say. Revealing tactics may tip off future smugglers, so officials try not to reveal them, he said.

If officials determine that the men do not have extensive criminal histories then they will be processed and returned to Mexico, Jimenez said.

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5 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Sun May 23, 2010 1:37 pm

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:[IMG]http://i2 But now they will just turn around and come right back.............like a boomarang ex[whistle]
Maybe we need to put them on Alcatraz and just let them fish for sharks and seaweed and survive on their own for awhile w/ no money to send home. Well there has got to be something we can do to discourage them. We need more border patrol and fences.............we need something....this is ridiculous! You won't find this problem in most other countries............are we just stupid


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6 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 12:19 am

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I think what Mexican President Calderon meant was that the Arizona Law is offensive and racist against Mexicans or Mexican-Americans that legally are in the country.
Let's give an example for those that don't live near the border.
Thousands of Mexicans if not millions go to do some Shopping in the border areas of the USA and so, what he said is that people from Mexico that goes there and spends it, should stop going to Arizona because they might be object of racial profiling.
I seriously think that is what he meant since it will be really mean for someone that looks mexican and just because of it they get stoped and asked for legal status.
When the only thing they are doing is to have some nice vacations or even some awesome shopping..
Mexican-dollars are a big thing in the USA and I see no one complaining about it. Anywho, my point is that he was not referring to the illegal aliens which in the case I think he has to step up and do something about it.

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7 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 12:36 pm

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Hey Howell. Good to see you here. The Arizona law requires the cops to have "reasonable suspicion" to detain anyone for anything and secondly requires "reasonable suspicion" to make inquiries about their right to be in Arizona. These restrictions are actually less than the Federal laws as the link following below will show.

I'm a retired cop here in California. Here is a likely scenario. You stop a motorist because they just ran a red light. You ask them for their drivers license and vehicle registration. The driver doesn't speak English. You ask them in Spanish for their drivers license and they say they don't have one. You can now, and only now, begin an investigation relative to their legal right to be in Arizona.

Here is legal analyst on Fox news talking about and comparing Federal law and the Arizona law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDdXqz22v4

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8 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 1:13 pm

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The Arizona law sounds perfectly acceptable to me and if they are just stopping someone for some kind of infraction and they find out they are illegal then what can it hurt? I will tell you what it can hurt....................it hurts the Mexican prez cuz he wants all that money coming into his country from the illegals. That is being taken away from our country and no illegals are paying taxes on it. They are getting paid in cash by greedy employers that don't report wages. How else could it be? If so explain to it to me. Do the illegals use phoney soc. sec #'s etc. I don't know. Our money here needs to be paid to legal tax paying citizens. We do not run a free for all. I do not want to give my money away to people who don't live here in this country unless I choose to by donation to charities. We make laws for people to obey and if they choose to disobey they should expect consequences not a pat on the back and have a nice day es[uhuh]


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9 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 1:28 pm

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I do understand that.
Still some people are going to be victims of racial profiling, there may be racist cops that just because they want to they will ask for legal status or even a visa or a passport.
I just don't get it.
Besides they are there because of big corporations hiring them, I know the government shows to the people that they are doing something but that is just what they do to small companies or even the construction company.
Have you all seen the movie Food Inc.?

In that case JW, there are some laws being broken by the same industies there, but people seem to just go against the illegals.
Please watch the movie Food Inc, in there you will see how people with power and money make an entire issue that is coming from them to pass it to another in this case a minority to make them look like it is their fault why America was in such a big crisis.
I do understand stupid felipe calderon wants all the money sent from the illegals to their families down here.
And I think he does need to do something, and not just appear on tv saying that they are people and need to be treated as such, come on he is not even doing it.

Still not liking the arizona law because of the racial profiling, y'all may not or may never ever been afected by the color of your skin or so, but I have been called names and stuff when it is just a darker color.
And if I ever go through arizona don't wanna be pulled because I look Mexican.
There are some other ways to make the illegals go back.
Hey y'all I need to study for a test...lol...be back and will hope to talk about it because this law gives so much talk.

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10 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 5:41 pm

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Some of what you say suggests cops are racists. I heard that all the time as a cop Howell and quite frankly it is Bullshit, pure Bullshit. I can't tell you how many times I heard someone say, "You're stopping me because I'm Black." when in fact I stopped them because their registration tags on their license plate was expired or some other violation.

Mexicans, and others, intentionally come here ILLEGALLY under the cover of darkeness and now have the brazen balls to complain about possibly being singled out because of the color of their skin?

If you Google "kidnappings", Phoenix Arizona pops up right behind Mexico. It's Mexicans kidnapping Mexicans on American soil in Arizona. It's out of control Howell and the citizens of Arizona have had enough. Your government and our government have done next to nothing and Arizona decided to step in. God bless them!

And I really get pissed off when liberals point to Republicans as being racist. It was a Republican (Lincoln) who freed the slaves. It was a Democrat (Wilson) who segregated our integrated military. It was a Democrat (FDR) who incarcerated Japanese Americans..... sorry for my rant...

Cops come in all colors Howell, including Hispanic. I helped recruit and hire Hispanic officers, including Mexicans who were here on a legal visa and who had applied to become a U.S. citizen. Many of the cops in Arizona are Hispanic. In fact many Hispanics in Arizona approve new law.

I agree that the illegals are here because employers hire them. The Republicans tend to like them because they help business and the Democrats like them because they can unionize them the get their vote.

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11 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 6:47 pm

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As I said mikey not every cop is racist, some of them will follow the pressidure and some of them will not, some will just stop someone because it looks like a mexican.
I was pulled over once because my light was out in texas, and the officer just told me to be careful and to fix the light, I was driving under a mexican driver's license.
It was the only thing I had at that time.
As I said before the point is that you may get some illegals in the process of the AZ law but you may get some citizens and even Mexican-american or latino-americans during the process.
BTW all those kidnappings are due to America being the biggest place in drug using so, all those drug dealers fighting for the power to get control all over the Mexican-American border, when it is not Mexico using the drug, a lot of people are mad in here because they want drugs to be legal, but making the drugs legal here will not help the issue since the problem comes when Americans do not make drugs legal.

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12 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 6:54 pm

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I have been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, the shape of my body, my gender--
I don't care about skin color, hair color, or stature. I just care if you're going to be a decent human being. If you're going to stab someone in the middle of a public park with cameras and witnesses, then claim that the officer that arrested you was racist for picking you up, and hauling you in-- we have a serious problem.

I worked as a data conversion operator for a couple of years at the post office. You had to have a key card to enter the facility to clock in, and an ID badge to walk around in the office areas down to the site computers so that you could punch in and out-- as well as what city you keyed mail for.
The illegal immigration problem is a fault at the doors-- where people are slipping in without the keycards. They're the people wandering around without ID badges, who will sit at a terminal and start keying mail-- or start pushing over the monitors, or writing on the cubicle walls. Or harassing folks who are trying to focus on not sending a letter for Ethel in Mobile, Alabama to Nome, Alaska.
It doesn't matter if they're Black, White, Hispanic, or Asian. The ones pushing over monitors, harassing other operators and vandalizing walls are going to be noticed by the supervisors, and asked for their badges. If they have a badge, they'll probably be spoken to. If they don't /have/ a badge, the postal police will, most likely, escort them out-- and if they're really bad, to a waiting city PD car.
The ones who are quietly keying mail? Aren't going to be noticed, unless a higher-up comes in for inspection, and notices that they do not have the required ID.
This is standard policy to keep the building secure, keep the workers and facility safe, and the flow of mail uninterrupted.
Notice how the supervisors and postal police don't wander around randomly pulling out workers to find out if they have the security clearance. Notice how the only reasons that people are discovered and escorted out are because of /violations of rules/.

Cops in Arizona-- hell, in the entire US-- have better things to do than stop every single person whose skin is a different shade because they 'might be illegal'. This law is not a license to hunt illegals, it's an encouragement to follow through if a perpetrator can /not/ produce a valid ID that says they are a citizen, or went through the right channels to enter this country.

I'll stop the rambling now.;)

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13 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 7:59 pm

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Discrimination can take many turns, not just skin color. About 10 years ago, my son had a car that had over 200,000 miles on it. The driver's side door was blue. The rest of the car was white. Here in Michigan we used to have a lot of problem with rust and that car had lots. He got stopped for everything you could think of and never got a ticket. I think because he was young, and had a wrecky car, they were looking for people who didn't have proper ID, license plates, or insurance.

Then on the other hand discrimination can be against old people---women, men, teens----$$$ or lack of---hair (teehee)or lack of, size (good or bad), accents, jobs, where you live, who you're related to, popularity or lack of, college education or lack of, because of religion or politics, grammar or lack of, city people against country folks and country folks against city folks. Did I miss anything?? What we're seeing here is often coming out of differences. I'm different than you because you have money and I don't so I don't trust you not to hit me over the head with it. Maybe you have a high falluting job and I think you don't like me because I clean houses for a living or even am on welfare. So it can be something perceived in us that really isn't even there. Often discrimination comes from not knowing that other person. But then again, it might come because you DO know that person and you apply that thinking to others who are similar to the one you don't like.


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14 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 9:02 pm

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Hahaha..denny now that you said nome alaska...has anyone watch the movie the fourth kind....I think it is pretty cool...
LOL...
Sorry had to...discriminations and racism comes in all colors, still does that mean a lot of people are failing as parents because they did not have the decency to teach their kids to respect and love others, are we somehow working in a broken system?

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15 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 10:25 pm

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No matter what country you are in I believe you will be living in a broken system as you call it Howell. Nothing on this earth will ever be perfect. It can not happen. All we can do is try to have the best system that we can have for the moment. We will always have to make changes and not everyone is going to agree on what is right or what is wrong. Same w/ people.............they will never be perfect on this earth. As hard as they try they will always have flaws. I think most people would not want to harm another person just to hurt them including police officers, etc. There will always be that slim majority that are hurtful and malicious and don't care what the law is concerning human rights. The laws that we make are laws that we the people make when we vote. If the law of a country or a state says no illegal doings w/o punishment then so be it. We should be able to protect our country from those who disobey our laws. Police should be able to stop anyone doing something illegal or deemed to be doing so and questioned and if it is found out they are breaking one of our laws by being here illegally then they should be deported or punished. There may be a very and I say very small amount of police or everyday people that would purposefully intend to do harm to an illegal alien and just because they do this is not reason to throw the laws all out the window. So if Arizona or any other state has a law that says the police can stop anyone who is involved in what looks like criminal behavior whether it be while driving or whatever then they shall be able to ask for identification and if that person turns out to be an illegal then guess what.................they just got caught and I say This country welcomes good, decent legal citizens from other countries no matter what their race as long as they are here legally. They can shop, visit, vacation, whatever and even do the paperwork to live here............just do it like all the other people who had to to get to live in this country. What is wrong with this? If there is something wrong that they don't like then don't come here to live. They might find that it is even harder to get into some other countries to live.


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16 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 11:31 pm

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The system is just broken everywhere...I was not just saying the US.
I am not saying that everyone needs to be perfect but respectful and tolerant yes.

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17 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Tue May 25, 2010 11:47 pm

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Respectful yes..............no tolerance on breaking the law on illegal immigration............we just can't afford it es[uhuh]


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18 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 12:19 am

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Good JW. It wasn't long ago that my great grandmother immigrated here from Canada after coming from Sweden. A great grandfather came here from Scotland. Pete's grandparents on one side and great grandparents on the other side came from Holland. Guess what the first thing they all did!!! They took classes and passed exams and learned English and got jobs AND BECAME CITIZENS. What a wonderful heritage to hand down to your family!


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19 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 12:44 am

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Amen to that Esther and it was something they could be proud of and they didn't have to take any easy freeloading from anybody.


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20 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 1:49 am

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I don't mean to be down on you Howell or the Mexican people in general. Because I live here in southern California and was a cop here for 30 years I have my own perspective and very strong and firm feelings on what illegal immigration has done to my state.

I live in Orange County California, a relatively affluent county. The county seat is Santa Ana, population of about 400,000. Many illegal immigrants live in Santa Ana. Santa Ana has a high crime rate compared to other cities in the county and it is considered by many, including its residents, to be the armpit of Orange County.

The life style of many of these illegals drives down house prices in Santa Ana. Some families convert their garage into an apartment and rent it out to illegals. A dozen or more young men will live in squaller in these garages. The public schools are filled with their children, most of whom are U.S. citizens simply because they were born here. A significant number never graduate from high school. All the public schools in Santa Ana give the children free breakfast and lunch, money that should go to education.

By law our hospitals cannot turn away emergency patients who can't pay and/or have no health insurance. Thus we pay for the birth of children of illegals......and they have lots of children because as I said the children born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens. Their parents, although illegal, will collect welfare and health care benefits for their children and if the children are disabled they collect Social Security benefits as well. A recent CBS news report interviewed a Mexican woman living in Phoenix, Arizona. Because of the pending law in that state she was scared of being deported. The interview was conducted in Spanish because she spoke very little English. She and her husband don't work. They have TEN children, all U.S. citizens. Guess who paid for them and continues to pay for them? Illegals learn our system quickly and learn how to abuse it....... In the interview she said they are packing up and moving to Colorado. She was all teary eyed because she was losing her best friend, also here illegally, who she said was moving to California.... Lucky us....

The criminal justice system in California spends many millions a year on illegals. Police respond to calls for service, mostly drunkenness or domestic violence. The county jails spend money on housing illegals pending trial. The courts spend money on trials etc.....

The financial burden is tremendous because these people do not contribute significantly to their costs. They pay no property taxes and property taxes pay for police, fire, education etc. Many work under the table and therefore contribute nothing in either state or federal income taxes. They often have their own economy which does nothing to help. And of course many Mexicans send a significant amount of the money they earn back to Mexico. I have read of the remittances being as high a 9 billion a year.

Americans are extremely generous, the most generous of all nations in my opinion. Every church I have ever attended regularly sends members and money down to Mexico to poor areas to help those people. My wife and I financially support Christian relief organizations to help children in Guatemala, Haiti and Mexico. Many of our Christian friends do the same.

Several of my immediate neighbors either immigrated here from Mexico or their parents immigrated here from Mexico. They hate what they see happening in L.A. and Santa Ana because it reminds them of what they or their parents left behind in Mexico.

Our nation has been blessed by God; tremendously blessed, but we can only share our wealth and bless others as it has been given to us. Americans are willing to help Mexicans but the Mexicans must take the lead and help themselves.

You mention being respectful and tolerant. Coming here illegally is not showing respect. In reference to tolerance, we had this same situation back in the 1980s but not as many illegals. President Reagan, a Republican, worked with Congress and granted amnesty to roughly 3 million illegals. However, many illegals that didn't qualify for amnesty remained here. And typical of Congress, they didn't follow up and enforce the newly enacted legislation that was to stop illegal immigration here. Thus I would say we have been pretty tolerant.....

Great chatting with you Howell! Vive Mexico!

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21 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 12:06 pm

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Well mikey, as I said before I am not pro illegals.
And what is wrong with people 10 kids....I am 22 planning on marry till I am 35 and barely having one or at last 2 but that is two risky now-a-days, economy is not good and I would love my kids to get all I have gotten and more.
Those people need to learn to use protection.
I once went to this poor neighborhood in mexico and there were families that had tons of kids and were living in a small house, I was like what the crap is wrong with them.
I was like don't they see that their economy is not even close to good.

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22 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 1:02 pm

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Howell, would it make any difference if you were white and were stopped by a black cop? Green and stopped by a blue cop? Old and stopped by a young cop? Just because you are stopped should not be a matter of resistance or fear. Only if you have a reason to fear would it matter. LIke when I was speeding and got stopped....My heart was beating sooo fast because I knew I was in the wrong. It wouldn't have mattered what color the cop was. I had something to hide.

The same went with my son. Eventually he did some stupid stuff with that wrecky car. He didn't have insurance and even though they might not have had a good reason to stop him, it only made any difference to him because he knew he shouldn't have been on the road without insurance. So in that case, even if it wasn't fair (and fair is a four letter word), in the end they found him out and saved him from an awful mess if he had caused or been in an accident.

This profiling should only be a problem to the illegals. Sure, I'll show my ID etc. Thanks and I'm on my way knowing the police are following the rules that make life here better..

Profiling is common, we do it all the time inside our heads. That is what I was pointing out in the discrimination rant. WE DO IT ALL THE TIME, whether we'll admit it or not. Profiling, discrimination, judging, it's pretty much all the same.


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23 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 1:43 pm

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My dad is the type of person that will check on you before you leave, as insurance card and all of that.
We are not allowed to leave the house without our DL and will never ever drive without insurance.
I have never been pull over for speeding but have been pulled over because I had a light out.
And to me it makes no difference I see people as people, some good some bad but still people.

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24 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 2:38 pm

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I see people as people
And that's the way it should be for everyone.

My world view is anchored to my Christian beliefs which is my foundation. I truly believe we all came from Adam and Eve, and later the survivors on Noah's ark. We are therefore related, distantly related but related none the less.

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25 Re: No illegal immigration problem here..... on Wed May 26, 2010 3:41 pm

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But as we age and have experiences in life that train us to duck after being slapped one more time by a certain type, the next time that person raises their hand, I duck. Is that discrimination, profiling or judging?? I don't know what you call it but when I have been mistreated, threatened, abused, hurt, whatever often enough I learned something. It wasn't intentional that my mind remembers. I have to fight my feelings and try to control them so as not to be obvious butttt. What I'm saying is that if I get bitten by a purple dog often enough, I might just be leary of purple dogs.

My son lived on his own when he was doing the stupid stuff. In fact he was about your age Howell. He's almost 32 now and hopefully has wised up a bit.


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