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1 Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:55 pm

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I don't want to see the business end of a shovel again for a while....

Here's a slideshow of the redo to fix the leak.



http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr278/LariPett/Pond%20Redo%202010/?albumview=slideshow

We still have to finish the trim work and filtration but got the new billboard liner installed today and it's holding water. With the new raised box and the extra digging we (mostly me because Bruce has a bum back when it comes to digging) did yesterday we'll go from 18" deep to a little over 2 1/2' I wish it were more, but what I did yeserday was my limit for quite a while...I'll be feeling it for a week I'm sure. I'm just too out of shape and have put on entirely too much weight in the last year to be pushing it that much all at once. ex[dig]



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2 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:08 pm

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Oh boy you been working hard I'll say! That looks so nice and when you get it all finished it will look superb. So now you won't have to take the fish in the house anymore right? How deep is it all together with the above ground and below now? So the billboard sign will last a long time just like the regular pond liner eh? Very interesting and how does one come upon a billboard liner I'm wondering


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3 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:20 pm

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What is a billboard liner?

I began watching the slideshow a second time but got worn out just watching. What a lot of work with moving the stones and then all the digging. I'm so glad you don't have my phone number. Your yard is beautiful though and it'll be so much nicer when the pond is all finished and the plants begin to fill in around it.

We have had a leak for a couple of years now but it's not bad enough to bother looking for it.


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4 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:33 pm

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You know Esther..........it's what they use for those big billboard signs that you see on the roadsides. They are made out of vinyl I believe. I just don't know how one gets their hands on them They have words printed on one side like for advertising and the other side is black or maybe another color.


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5 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:34 pm

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I never knew that was vinyl. Just figured it was wood of some sort and paint.


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6 Re: Leak!!!! on Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:40 am

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I'm just too out of shape and have put on entirely too much weight in the last year to be pushing it that much all at once.
That extra weight comes in handy when stepping on a shovel in clay soil..... ex[giggle] Think much work it would have been if you only weighed 90lbs..... lol!



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7 Re: Leak!!!! on Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:55 am

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Thanks for all the nice comments.

Esther, here's a link to where they sell the billboard liners. http://www.billboardtarps.com/collections/pond-liners. There are other places too I suppose but this gives you an idea. They are MUCH cheaper than EPDM sold for ponds...but of course they may not be as durable.Other's have told us they are fish safe, and there is no chemical smell to them. We will put "canary" fish in that are I regret to say "expendable" before any really important fish go in.

We've had a leak for a couple years, but it was small enough we could just count the refills as "water changes"..but this year it was so bad we were losing at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the water volumn every day. We can't afford that kind of water bill.



Overall JW we will only still have 2 1/2' feet of depth in part of the pond. we could leave fish out with a heater, we actually did with only 1 1/2' of depth for the first 3 years that we had the pond. But likely we won't leave the koi out. They're still too large and valueable to risk it when we have the tanks inside anyway. So far the only goldies we have that are "winter hardy" are the wakin, and Bruce is making arrangements to trade those for some other fancy goldies. So our fish are all likely to be in the basement for the winter again. Unless like last year some tiny babies escape all efforts to net them. We had two wakin babies that lived outside last year because of that.

Mikey, now maybe you solved the mystery on how I felt I could dig this weekend, but when we built the pond 5 years ago and about 30 lbs less ago....I wasn't up to any of the digging. ex[tongue]

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8 Re: Leak!!!! on Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:04 pm

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Lari, I clicked on the link but it said NOT FOUND es[uhuh] Boy that has to be a lot of work bringing in all those fish every winter. What are Canary fish?


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9 Re: Leak!!!! on Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:08 pm

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http://www.billboardtarps.com/collections/tarps

Here's the link again..don't know why that other one didn't work. ex[frustrate]

JW, the term canary fish means...a fish who is expendable..meaning not one of our, favorite, expensive or fancy ones.

Back in the day they used to use canaries (little yellow birds) in coal mines to test the air...to be sure it wasn't toxic to the miners..the canaries would die before a human would if the air was toxic...

so whenever someone says they are using a canary fish it means it is being used to "test the waters" Canaries are often used when introducing new fish in QT too...before adding the new fish to the entire pond.



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10 Re: Leak!!!! on Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:34 pm

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Oh yes I knew the term for use in coal mines just didn't put it together w/ pond fish. Boy those tarps are cheap compared to pond liners ex[nod]


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11 Re: Leak!!!! on Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:06 pm

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The filtration is hooked up and a little at a time we'll be finishing up the trim work. But heading to Indianapolis tomorrow for the NMZNA koi and goldfish show this weekend so it'll be what it is till next week now.

http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr278/LariPett/Pond%20Redo%202010/?albumview=slideshow

A few new pics added to the end of the slideshow now if you want to see. ex[thumbup]

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12 Re: Leak!!!! on Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:51 pm

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That is great Lari and I love your Taro pond connected to it. Can't wait to see it all finished w/ the fish in it :[IMG]http://i2 I like how you are able to see the water from across the yard too


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13 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:52 am

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We were going to keep some of the koi inside, but we both felt "guilty" because the other's seem so happy in the new pond. So today we put the rest out.

Pics on the slideshow:

http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr278/LariPett/Pond%20Redo%202010/?albumview=slideshow

We're just going to keep a couple bigger ryukins in the koi tank in the basement to keep it cycled till fall when we bring the koi back inside.

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14 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:31 am

I really like how the deck goes right up to the edge of the the pond, that must be a perfect "feeding area"
Your pond and yard are lovely

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15 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:28 pm

Lari

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Thanks Freddy. There is still some cleanup that needs done. We have to get rid of all that rock, because we aren't going to use it anymore. The tile work and staining on the decking needs finished. And the Trickle Tower/waterfall area still needs rebuilt and squared up. But it's coming along nicely.

I pull one of the footstool's out and sit on the deck and the koi who handfeed are all coming up for their special mouthful and headrubs. They really seem to like it out there. Before the redo the pond was just barely 18" in the deepest spot..we have it 2 1/2' now..so that's an improvement to be sure. We'd like it deeper..but this clay is not an easy thing to dig all that deep by hand.

Hey, we're going to be in Darien in a couple weeks for the MPKS show...do you ever go to that?

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16 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:01 pm

we've never been to any kind of Koi/Goldfish show. Can you provide us with the exact dates and if we aren't busy we might just head over there to check it out.
We are throwing a party on the weekend after 4th of July for my sis-in-law
(50 years old) so that weekend is out.
Where in Darien is the show? as that is only about 40 miles or so from our home.
Also if you have any extra time....there is a fantastic pond store in St. Charles that has a display pond that will take your breath away. I believe it is called Aquascapes
but don't quote me on that.

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17 Re: Leak!!!! on Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:56 pm

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The Midwest Pond and Koi Society
18th Annual Koi & Goldfish Show, American Breeders’ Show and Trade Show
July 9-11, 2010
Darien Sportsplex
451 Plainfield Road
Darien, IL 60561

The show is at the Darien Sportsplex on the following dates: Friday, July 9th, 6:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M., Saturday, July 10th, 9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M. and Sunday, July 11th, 10:00 A.M. to 3:00 P.M. so reserve the dates, tell your friends and neighbors and come on out to the event that will have it all! Hope to see you there.

SHOW SCHEDULE
Wednesday and Thursday, July 8th and 9th - Set up show vats and trade show booths.
Friday, July 9th
1:00 pm until 8:00 pm - Koi and Goldfish registration
6:00 pm until 9:00 pm - Trade Show open to the public

Saturday, July 10th
9:00 am until 5:00 pm - Trade Show open to the public
- Throughout the day -Seminars
10:00 am until completion - Judging of Koi and Goldfish
7:00 pm - Awards Banquet at Connies Restaurant, 19 W. Ogden Ave, Westmont

Sunday, July 11th
10:00 am until 3:00 pm - Trade Show open to the public
- Throughout the day Seminars and judges "walkaround"
1:00 pm - Koi may be taken home
2:00 pm until completion - Teardown

This is all from the website

http://mpks.org

I've got to get them loaded, but I'm adding more pictures to the slideshow. Got some good ones of the koi and Bruce feeding them today. They're liking their new digs.

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